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  Yet one more thread on the new "generation".... Oh, Joy!

  by undercover in

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  i know, i know... some of ya'll are gettin' sick of this "generation" thing... .

  but for whatever reason, i had not seen this actual quote from the dc talk (that or had not paid much attention to it until now).

  seeing it in print really brought home how desparate they are to try to hang on to 1914 in whatever way they can.

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  Nathan Natas

  Say "GOODBYE" to all sense of "urgency," WATCHTOWER.
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  SELF-TESTING for the influences of MIND-CONTROL

  by Terry in

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  if you have been "brain washed" the control of your thinking has been wrested away from you and diverted.. .

  hidden cues have replaced the ordinary path of logical analysis when examining your world.. .

  think of this like a detour sign on a highway.

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  Nathan Natas

  These "resolutions" are always such fun to read.

  Rutherford was a pompous windbag who delighted in "the language of the court." He could talk his entire lifetime without saying anything at all.
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  SELF-TESTING for the influences of MIND-CONTROL

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  if you have been "brain washed" the control of your thinking has been wrested away from you and diverted.. .

  hidden cues have replaced the ordinary path of logical analysis when examining your world.. .

  think of this like a detour sign on a highway.

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  Nathan Natas

  Terry said, "Actually, the name [Jehovah's Witnesses] was adopted July 26, 1931 by resolution in Columbus, Ohio."

  While that may be true, the name wasn't invented at the convention.

  It's not as though someone got up on the podium and said, "OK, folks: what do we call ourselves?" There was no debate between people who favored the name "Imaginary Israelites" over "Jehovah's Witnesses." Rutherford knew what the name was going to be when he woke up that morning. JW resolutions back then, as now, are simply a rubber-stamp of whatever the "faithful slave" wants.

  Here's the resolution as it appeared in The WATCHTOWER of September 15, 1931:

  NEW NAME

  Sunday afternoon, July 26, at 4 p.m., there was presented and read before the convention the following resolution :

  A NEW NAME

  WHEREAS about 1874, in fulfillment of divine prophecy, the Lord Jesus Christ began the work of 'preparing the way before Jehovah' and to restore to his faithful followers on earth a clearer understanding of the fundamental truths taught by Jesus and his apostles and which for centuries had been made obscure by others teaching false doctrines; and

  WHEREAS from and after that date and for a period of more than forty years Charles T. Russell, a faithful follower of Christ Jesus and a servant of Jehovah God, led a company of his brethren in Christ in the preaching and teaching of the divine Word, and particularly with reference to the second coming of Christ, the setting up of his kingdom, and the restoration of man to perfection on the earth; and to carry on said work orderly said company of Christians organized the corporations known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the International Bible Students Association, and the Peoples' Pulpit Association; and they used and now use these corporations for the publication of books, magazines and other Bible literature; and in the course of time said company of Christians became known by such names as, to wit, "Russellites," "Millennial Dawn People," "International Bible Students Association," and other like names; and

  WHEREAS shortly following the death of Charles T. Russell a division arose between those associated with him in such work, resulting in a number of such withdrawing from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and who have since refused to cooperate with said Society and its work and who decline to concur in the truth as published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in The Watch Tower and the other recent publications of the said above-named corporations, and have opposed and do now oppose the work of said Society in declaring the present message of God's kingdom and the day of the vengeance of our God against all parts of Satan's organization; and said opposing ones have formed themselves into divers and numerous companies and have taken and now bear such names as, to wit, "Bible Students," "Associated Bible Students," "Russellites teaching the truth as expounded by Pastor Russell," " Stand-Fasters," and like names, all of which tends to cause confusion and misunderstanding:

  NOW, THEREFORE, in order that our true position may be made known, and believing that this is in harmony with the will of God, as expressed in his Word, BE IT RESOLVED, as follows, to wit:

  THAT we have great love for Brother Charles T. Russell, for his work's sake, and that we gladly acknowledge that the Lord used him and greatly blessed his work, yet we cannot consistently with the Word of God consent to be called by the name "Russellites"; that the Watch Tower Bible and
  Tract Society and the International Bible Students Association and the Peoples Pulpit Association are merely names of corporations which as a company of Christian people we hold, control and use to carry on our work in obedience to God's commandments, yet none of these names properly attach to
  or apply to us as a body of Christians who follow in the footsteps of our Lord and Master, Christ Jesus; that we are students of the Bible, but, as a body of Christians forming an association, we decline to assume or be called by the name "Bible Students" or similar names as a means of identification of our proper position before the Lord; we refuse to bear or to be called by the name of any man;

  THAT, having been bought with the precious blood of Jesus Christ our Lord and Redeemer, justified and begotten by Jehovah God and called to his kingdom, we unhesitatingly declare our entire allegiance and devotion to Jehovah God and his kingdom; that we are servants of Jehovah God commissioned to do a work in his name, and, in obedience to his commandment, to deliver the testimony of Jesus Christ, and to make known to the people that Jehovah is the true and Almighty God; therefore we joyfully embrace and take the name which the mouth of the Lord God has named, and we desire to be known as and called by the name, to wit, Jehovah's witnesses. - Isa.43:l0-12; 62:2; Rev. 12:17.

  As Jehovah's witnesses our sole and only purpose is to be entirely obedient to his commandments; to make known that he is the only true and Almighty God; that his Word is true and that his name is entitled to all honor and glory; that Christ is God's Ring, whom he has placed upon his throne
  of authority; that his kingdom is now come, and in obedience to the Lord's commandments we must now declare this good news as a testimony or witness to the nations and inform the rulers and the people of and concerning Satan's cruel and oppressive organization, and particularly with reference to "Christendom" which is the most wicked part of that visible organization, and of and concerning God's purpose to shortly destroy Satan's organization, which great act will be quickly followed by Christ the Ring's bringing to the obedient peoples of earth peace and prosperity, liberty and health, happiness and everlasting life. That God's kingdom is the hope of the world, and there is no other; and that this message must be delivered by those who are identified as Jehovah's witnesses.

  We humbly invite all persons who are wholly devoted to Jehovah and his kingdom to join in proclaiming this good news to others, that the righteous standard of the Lord may be lifted up, that the peoples of the world may know where to find the truth and hope for relief; and, above all, that the great and holy name of Jehovah God may be vindicated and exalted.
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  Scientology - Circus of the Stars

  by whereami in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwiyjqyu0tw.

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  Nathan Natas

  Deee-Lightful!
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  DO you follow any of these quacks, charlatans, liars, mystics or self-promoters?

  by Terry in

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  don't try to lie about it.

  you accept some of these people as an authority.

  you listen to them.

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  "If you meet Christopher Hitchens on the road, kill him, too."

  I like much of what he has to say, but if he jumps off the garage roof, you won't see me followiing him.
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  DO you follow any of these quacks, charlatans, liars, mystics or self-promoters?

  by Terry in

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  don't try to lie about it.

  you accept some of these people as an authority.

  you listen to them.

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  Hey T, what about that pathetic B!TCH, "Mother" TERESA? What a fraud and a phony she was! (I'm serioous.)

  I'm a big fan of the Dalai Parton, but she got a restraining order to keep me from following her.

  How about adding Ayn Rand to the list, T? Ayn's insights are valuable and useful, but her fan club (objectivists) are as much a cult as any other, deifying Alice and overlooking her numerous faults.

  I found Wayne Dyers early work - of about 25 years ago - helpful, but I didn't tie myself to his apron string.

  Buddhists have a very useful saying - "If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him." This is an important concept.

  There are people I admire. Gene Simmons of KISS is a very admirable figure as his family life and his sucess demonstrate. I've watched Brett Michaels on the CELEBRITY APPRENTICE and developed a respect for him that I would never have guessed was possible. I'm looking forward to reading MARK TWAIN's autobiography, which will be available in a couple of months, now that Twain's requested 100-year self-imposed gag order has expired.
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  SELF-TESTING for the influences of MIND-CONTROL

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you have been "brain washed" the control of your thinking has been wrested away from you and diverted.. .

  hidden cues have replaced the ordinary path of logical analysis when examining your world.. .

  think of this like a detour sign on a highway.

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  Nathan Natas

  Terry said, "Jehovah's Witnesses under Russell and JW's under Rutherford..."

  Actually, there were NO "Jehovah's Witnesses" under Russell. The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" was coined by J. F. Rutherford more than a decade after Russell had died. But we know what you mean; some of Russell's "Bible Students" stuck with JFR and became JWs. Many did not. Families were split over the issue. One example is the family of W.E. vanAmburgh, who was secretary/treasurer of the WTB&TS. His brother and his brother's family remained Bible Students and at least some of their children are Bible Students today.

  Another point - if JFR really knew and followed his Bible, he would have named his followers "Hepzibah." I'll let each of you figure out why for a day or two.

  Fortunately for me, I have an advantage that many here do not: upon completion of my ordination as a SUB-GENIUS, I was granted the ability to pull the wool over MY OWN eyes. Join me! Salvation is only $35 away!
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  Is North Korea the king of North?

  by asilentone in

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  Nathan Natas

  I love it when you guys kid around about stuff like this.

  Everybody knows that the KING OF THE NORTH is Santa Claus.
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  Russell's "Pyramid Chronology" & Rutherford's "Beth-Sarim"

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  russell's "pyramid chronology" & rutherford's "beth-sarim".

  from a wt apologist standpoint.. http://searchforbibletruths.blogspot.com/2009/09/russel.html.

  bangalore.

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  Nathan Natas

  "(T)he 1939 book Salvation stated: `At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim.'"

  The "small piece of land" was about 100 acres (4,356,000 square feet), and the house offered about 5,100 square feet of living space.

  How many square feet does the average Bethelite get? 1,000? less?
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  From Pioneer to Professor: My Story

  by laverite in

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  2. friends

  i wanted to say hello.

  i knew i was gay.

  i wanted to study and learn about everything i could.

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  Nathan Natas

  Welcome!

  What's the story on your username, "laverite"?

  What field to you teach in?